[Video Essay Script] - Links will be used in video as images and segments. https://docs.google.com/document/d/12OX9TTfLhgNEfdDaMWfsHYyAMzTx9G7bSwu_0Ke1Ksc/edit?usp=sharing
Introduction to Modern Fascism
“Repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth”- Nazi Propagandists, Joseph Goebbels.
Axioms are our base assumptions about the world. They act as filters for new information coming into our consciousness.
In classic philosophy, an axiom is a statement that is so evident or well-established, that it is accepted without controversy or question. As used in modern logic, an axiom is a premise or starting point for reasoning.
We use these axiomatic assumptions to build our internal models of the world around us. They allow us to compare new information we receive from the outside with our internal narratives, which helps us to decide whether to reject or accept that new information. They are, for want of a better world, your "common sense" beliefs.
So how do you go about changing a relatively normal person's core beliefs and base assumptions to the point of rejecting their fellow citizens as traitors, committing acts of murderous terrorist or vigilante violence like Fascist white supremacists running down protesters in acts of terror, ISIS beheadings or mass genocide?
Shock Treatment and Slow Repetition
One way of changing people into killing machines or obedient sheep is through a big shock to the system, like how electroshock therapy allows for a clean slate to rebuild peoples intern mental models.
Psychedelics encouraged by the alt right and alt-light like Jordan Peterson and Rebel Wisdom as they “Red Pill” people - another way to prepare a “blank-slate” to rebuild peoples internal axiomatic models.
Remaking people, shocking them into obedience and by gas-lighting them about their existing internal models, making them seem irrational, silly or outdated. Reducing them to a mental state of a child and then rebuilding them with a new ideology and worldview, known as “shock therapy”.
As Naomi Klein explains
in The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism
, these techniques work on larger scales with use of trauma and shock to influence political outcomes has been used since at least Milton Friedman coined the term “Economic Shock Treatment”. He advised that politicians push through painful and unpopular policies all at once during a time of crisis, before people could regain their footing.
The technique is used in economic markets on the large scale, and also against individuals on a small scale. Economics and politics is just human interaction on a larger scale, after all.
Regular repetition and gentle suggestions of ideas can also instil new axiomatic models and core beliefs into people's minds. As Derren Brown demonstrates how powerful suggestion can be, or the multi-billion dollar marketing and advertising industries demonstrates.
Used in combination, shock and repetition can shift until you have moved to positions, perceptions and beliefs to a place you never could have imagined yourself. But luckily once you deconstruct the deception and understand how the trick works, the illusion falls apart.
Defining and Deconstructing Modern Fascism
Firstly, we must define Modern Fascism. Modern Fascism ticks every box of the traditional definitions in Umberto Eco’s essay Ur-Fascism
, and not only does it fulfil every criteria, it reveals other motivational forces and has evolved to include new aspects, and has changed into something worse, while it’s main weakness remain the same - the fact that it is primarily motivated by weakness.
As General Franco
said in a 1938 interview with Henri Massis: "Fascism presents, wherever it manifests itself, characteristics which are varied to the extent that countries and national temperaments vary. It is essentially a defensive reaction of the organism, a manifestation of the desire to live, of the desire not to die, which at certain times seizes a whole people. So each people reacts in its own way, according to its conception of life… What can it have in common with Hitlerism, which was, above all, a reaction against the state of things created by the defeat, and by the abdication and the despair that followed it?"
This quote perfectly illustrates the transient nature of the ideology, but also the core motivations of Fascism. It is an ideology based on the assumption of weakness which yearns for restoration of a past greatness or to get revenge and recognition. But the way that it manifests itself is different in each place it takes hold.
Therefore the aim of this isn’t to make the case that any particular party or country has embraced out-right fascism (plenty of other people
have made that case already), the aim is to reveal the underlying motivations, highlight threats and weaknesses and analyse the less obvious negative effects of Modern Fascism.
History Doesn’t Repeat, But It Rhymes
A false equivalence that is often used is that Liberal Imperialism is just the same as Fascism. And while it is true that imperialists use fascist dictators to extract cheap labour and resources and also dominate smaller counties in a similar way to how fascist empires aspire to rule, the key difference is that the populations of those countries are not gripped by the same fear based delusions.
And therefore more Liberal democracies are better equipped to hold their imperial position of power long term because they are better able to assess risks and react accordingly, rather than over-react based on paranoia and competing egos under excessive pressure.
This false equivalence was also used in 1930’s Germany, because far-left Communists had been co opted and infiltrated by Fascists. They would repeat the mantra that “the Social Democrats were the real racists”.
Contrary to the assumptions of most people, Fascism, as an ideology and political system of government is very distinct to white supremacy. It does of course include white supremecists, but In fact includes many other groups who have been co-opted by Fascist propaganda
, or who implicitly support and enable their agenda
Examples of modern opposition which has been repeatedly infiltrated or just simply made up by Fascists include innumerable conspiracy theories, police groups like Blue Lives Matter, militant Black nationalists, the Boogaloo movement who call for a race war, the “Proud Boys” and even sometimes supposed Anarchists
, far-left Communists
and Left Accelerationists
Motivations of Fascism
Fascism distilled down to its core reason for existing is the suppression of opposition who represent workers rights and economic justice. So they patently DON’T look after their own people. They con them into submission of the state by generating jingoistic fear of “the other” - whoever is convenient on that day to blame for their problems.
Fascism is is an economic shock doctrine upon the inhabitants of the country. We don't spread fascist propaganda in tip-pot dictators because we care about the indiginous people there. We install Fascist dictators in order to remove workers rights and open up access to their natural resources.
Artificial moral panics can be engineered and real disasters used to allow corrupt oligarchs
and financial predators to consolidate power further by buying up small innovative businesses who don’t have the excess capital to survive the turmoil on their own without external support. Or as a way to eradicate public services by sabotaging them and building mistrust.
They are used to erode faith in public services and institutions by rich people who simply want to pay less tax and don’t see why they should subsidise other human beings who haven’t had the same luck as them. So a major motivation of fascism is to suppress the opposition left-wing party who represent workers rights and egalitarian freedoms.
Populists claim to be against free trade and to some extent they are, but whatever they do will fail because they are interfering with the markets, so they will retreat to the power of market domination. They use their threats of trade barriers as more just more shock treatment for markets, rather than protecting actual jobs or industries.
This is a trick that has been played by Neoliberals too
. But while Neoliberals use fascism as a tool for opening markets to Imperialism, they differ from Libertarians, not only because they embrace guns and weed, but they are starting from different positions to achieve the same goal;
Neoliberals seek to remove already existing public services and workers rights that lift bargaining power. But Libertarians want to STOP the government from ever providing those services and investments into the poor or enshrining workers rights.
Modern Fascist Ideology has TWO Core Reasons to Exist; Fear and Freed.
I have been researching and analysing how economic systems differ, using a SWOT analysis (Strengths, Weaknesses, Opportunities and Threads). For each economic system I tried to be as neutral, fair and balanced as possible - which included Fascism.
I might seem strange that someone who is anti-Fascist would want to explore the strenghts and opportunities of Fascist ideologies, but in doing so it reveals the real weaknesses and threats which are too important for us to ignore.
So what exactly IS Fascism? Is it just an economic doctrine or a personal philosophy about the world? The answer is both.
The ideology has TWO core reasons to exist, and TWO distinct audiences types - with one based primarily on fear and the other greed, with each having a malignant and symbiotic relationship
with each other. Fear -
Authoritarian/Conservative Fascists Greed -
There are very few people who actually buy into full Fascist ideology, most believe a watered down version of which resembles Conservatism or right-wing populism or accelerationism, and most of them genuinely believe they aren’t fascist, even though they are being constantly fed subtle suggestions fascist ideology or that align with their plans.
But the most ironic thing is that these groups are mostly being used by the second group of rich Libertarians globalist elites pulling a confidence trick on the host nation. Often posing “anti-establishment” conspiracists who actually uphold the establishment through misinformation. See: Russia Today and Youtube Bitcoin and Gold shills who subtly suggest fascist talking points.
With those rich Libertarians at the top more than happy for those below them, who they deem less worthy, living in even more delusional ideologies with fake enemies to fear, often resembling traditional Christian but values wrapped in modern conspiracies with added elements of “satanic panic”.
Modern Fascism has clearly inspired the modern day equivalents of Brownshirts and Blackshirts, self-styled vigilantes like QAnon, The Proud Boys and “The Boogaloo” - white nationalist violent extremists who want to accelerate towards a full-on race war.
It has also infiltrated numerous alternative groups, such as hyper-evangelical “end times” cults, alternative health scenes, internet conspiracy scenes like flat earth
and occult magic.
A commonly missing hallmark of fascism that is present in history during the rise of fascism is a controlled opposition and explicit suppression of opposition. This distorts a healthy society and has unforeseen consequences and blowback.
Fantasies and political thought bubbles are self delusional custom realities resembling an episode of Black Mirror
. They act as coping and escape mechanisms. Especially during the Covid 19 lock-down, these tendencies have gone into overdrive
with massive events entering the real world featuring David Ike leading protesters alongside fascists as people ignore rising Fascism
, climate change destruction and Covid deaths tolls.
Using disasters like Covid or irrational scare tactics such as the "Satanic Panic" style Fascist propaganda from QAnon
, can shock people using their fear and disgust response, while making them distrust the news - allowing the government to evade valid criticism from experts while suggesting to people that government public services are inherently evil or Communist.
This type of propaganda is a Libertarians wet dream - making a population not only give up on tax funded public services, but actively fear
them. An example is Trump trying to discredit and defund the US Postal Service and other public institutions and regulatory bodies.
Anti Semitism has been used throughout history by those in power to provoke an “us vs. them” mentality, leading to today's establishment still sanctioning and allowing Qanon on major media platforms, provoking and agitating terrorist attackers from the far-left
and the far-right.
Those in power in fascist regimes allow and encourage mistrust in the mainstream media, while the long-tail niche political and interest groups keep people separated from each other, who each live in their own custom realities while the real elites continue to dominate and increase their power.
With each bubble framing realities based of identity, race, class, nationality, or even subculture special interests like alternative medicine and “gamer bro” culture, so that when they interact in real life or online, they are speaking past each other because they don’t even agree on the basic principles of how they view society.
The Fatal Flaws of Living in a Fantasy
While the main flaws and weaknesses of Fascism remain the same, they are in-fact exacerbated by this new hybrid model. It’s main weakness is the very fact that it is motivated by weaknesses, fear and greed - rather than true strength, self-confidence or heroic benevolent power, as their adherents like to believe.
A misconception of fascists themselves that it is based on strength, when it is actually based on weakness - even when the driving force is greed rather than fear. Libertarian fascists want to extract labour and materials at cheaper prices, while inflating their own asset values.
In other words; international financiers with little allegiance to any country. Ironically the very type of people who Conservative fascists
claim to be opposed to.
Fascism claims to make society more successful, but it actually accelerates the destruction of the culture, country or people, rather than preserving and conserving it, because it betrays a fundamental weakness of insecurity. Competitors and rivals can easily see through the charade of and take advantage.
If anything does the exact opposite. Russian and China are clearly goading Western nations into becoming more divided and totalitarian, as they themselves benefit from becoming more Liberal and open and reap the competitive advantages that brings. See Kraut’s excellent video about Trump on China
as an example. Keynesian investment
in the country and people, giving workers more rights, opportunities and a more bargaining power is what makes a country successful and innovative, rather than the faux Keynesian policy of giving kickbacks to corrupt officials for government contracts and widening inequality by supporting the already rich, rather than the ordinary people.
Who Benefits in This Memetic War?
Who is going to war with who? Who is winning? A modern adage is that tankies are just fascists because of their support of authoritarian proto-fascist leaders and regimes who often claim to be Communist.
But from my experience talking to actual fascists, they crave a more multi-polar world where other strong leaders rise up as competition and form alliances with dictators.
So to me, it looks like Fascists are the real Tankies; wishing our enemies be stronger and wanting to accelerate towards race war or civil war that weakens the society.
Not only did Donald Trump have knowledge of Russia allowing ISIS bounties on US troops and withhold that from the public while courting Putin, I have personally heard white supremacists backing extremists Islamists in Discord servers.
Trump jumped to the defense
of the people who put a 17 year old with a gun against civil rights protesters and assumed the intent before saying that the outcome should be decided by the legal system.
They share common values and beliefs like Anti Semitism, accelerationist end-times fantasies, patriarchal traditional values and a fear of outside progressive cultures. In fact modern extremists white supremecist groups share recruitment and terrorist strategies and tactics with militant islamists.
You could argue that it was inflicted by Russian or Imperialist propagandists onto the German people in order to take control of larger areas of Europe after the destabilisation of war.
Hitler and Stalin came to a non agression truce called The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact
, which as was a secret non-aggression pact between Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union that enabled those two powers to partition Poland between them.
The pact, signed in Moscow on 23 August 1939 by German Foreign Minister Joachim von Ribbentrop and Soviet Foreign Minister Vyacheslav Molotov was officially known as the Treaty of Non-Aggression between Germany and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.
They divided Poland under the banner of fighting “Polish Fascism” nearly a century ago with both sides ultimately lying to their own people about spreading freedom while being authoritarian to their core and being able to blame “the other” as being the cause of all their problems.
But these days fascism seems to be a rogue meme
that no longer serves any particular group. It is pathologically damaging to any society that it happens to grip.
Even the aforementioned Libertarians and accelerationists who think they are benefiting are only temporarily gaining by market price volatility. They ultimately lose through the blowback effect of the whirlpool they create.
Psychopathy, Alienation Nihilism and Insecurity
It is well established
that Fascist dictators are driven by psychopathic characters and tendencies. They either don’t care about the truth, or disregard it if it’s not convenient to their narrative.
In totalitarian despotic societies
facts are reversed. As George Orwell proclaimed throughout his writings; “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. Ignorance is strength.”.
Similar to how authoritarian Starlinist Communists harnessed people’s alienation and tricked them into thinking that it’s possible for the state to fully decommodify everything without having markets, money to account for things
, domination or hierarchy or try to convince people that a revolution is just around the corner
But of course, a council representative is still the head of an organisation, for all intents and purposes, because they wield executive power over others, even if the name has changed. Markets are emergent properties when groups of humans want or need a certain commodity when it becomes available.
But while both Communist and Fascist ideologies are based on lies that harness peoples alienation, fear and envy, Fascism is also especially to the weak. It is attractive to those who want to be strong again (or were never to begin with), or those who want to have a strong leader to help them.
Fascism betrays to others the inherent weakness. Like the insecure kid in school who lashes out - others around can see that it is because of their own insecurity which makes them appear even weaker. Fascism is a psychopathy driven by insecurity.
When people become so absorbed in an ideology there is a phenomena of people to self identify as an actual ideology? This produces a phenomena called Identity Protective Cognition
, where people's self worth becomes attached to a belief system or ideology. So that when new information contradicts their worldview it is seen as an attack on the person themselves.
Therefore irrational, emotional quick fix thinking is the default when there is too much pressure and they feel attacked. They no longer use their slow effortful reflective thinking. (See Daniel Kahneman - Thinking, Fast and Slow
This approach has parallels in evolutionary biology, in which a central issue is the ability to adapt to changing environments. Competency - over-competitiveness in management causes chaos which STOPS hierarchies of competence. (Insert video clips of Sapolsky on Chaos vs Reductionism etc. timestamps linked).
Fascists try to reduce variability in culture and outcomes - causes weakness of less adaptability - because as Sapolsky explains, the variability is not just noise in that type of system CAS (Complex Adaptive Systems
) - the variability IS the system
. It is fractal and scale free. The noise and variability is an intrinsic part of the system.
But the system doesn’t function properly when the agreed-upon parameters that individuals believe to be true aren’t universal enough to have any form of group coherence. Birds and swarms
of animals can produce amazing complex phenomena, which are greater than the sum of their individual parts. There is a “network effect” once a certain threshold and certain conditions and rules are met.
These rules can be very simple, like repulsion or attraction, or staying a certain distance apart while traveling in a similar direction, but collectively they create patterns that emerge with complexity
and I dear say, a certain amount of beauty
So what happens when millions of people are being brainwashed and misled by cults that are leaving them with a reduced ability to make decisions?
Giving them shit-for-brains just so that some rich people at the top can pay a few percentage less tax? That is the sign of a deeply sick system that cannot continue to function effectively. It is sick on so many levels.
Emergence, Complexity and Human Evolution - A Social-Biological Analysis
The problem with viewing the world through only one lens of analysis (or bucket of knowledge) is that you can fall into unnecessarily reductive thinking. (Sapolsky clips)
I describe myself as a philosophical anarchist. Which does NOT mean I want total chaos and disorder - it means I want the optimal solution to emerge - including the influences and experiences from the bottom-up.
I also think that a bottom-up (or anarchist) lens of analysis is necessary for society to run cohesively in an optimal state. If it is repressed it distorts the overall picture of reality for everyone - similar to a CEO that doesn’t listen to employees and workers on the ground.
I interpret as constantly holding authority to account - to justify its existence and reason for dominating others. I also believe it is every citizen's responsibility to hold authority to account. This would be necessary under ANY economic system or society.
Anarchists also believe in stigmenric, rhizomatic action to make the world better, organically, not from a top-down authority, which fascism seeks to instill on society.
Human beings are collectively parts of a bigger chaotic but stable system known as a CAS (Complex Adaptive System
). CAS’s are chaotic systems that can reach periodic steady states of equilibrium
As Professor Sapolsky explains, humans uniquely exist with a mixture of both communal and individualistic tendencies; known in the scientific world as Tournament vs. pair bonding
All the evidence suggests that this tendency has greatly improved our success as a species. But those tendencies distorted too far one way or another lead to pathologies and the worst collective misdeeds and wars.
Because as Professor Sapolsky also explains in his brilliant lecture series (which I have condensed the pertinent parts of into a 4 part
YouTube video) about CAS; the signals coming from the randomness is being suppressed or repressed, it interferes with the functioning of the system.
Pressure in the system makes the patterns more complex but at a certain point
of increasing pressure in the complex system, it stops being linear and the doubling of patterns and periodicity totally stops. Order completely begins to break down because of the butterfly effect.
Fascist regimes fettishise order and rigidity but in a complex adaptive system, the noise IS the phenomena, not a byproduct to be discarded, ignored or repressed.
The majority of people on the right genuinely want to help society by bringing order, using top-down draconian measures if necessary. Whereas the left generally wants to help society by proactively building from the bottom up.
I think both of these approaches are necessary to be balanced properly for a healthy functioning society to emerge.
It seems our tendency to harness both traits and to focus intently on one or the other is our greatest collective strength, while also being our greatest weakness.
And similarly, on an individual level I believe our greatest strengths and weakness are the fact that our brains work efficiently by categorising information to filter out the unimportant bits that slow us down.
As the book by Daniel Kahneman - Thinking, Fast and Slow
, brilliantly explains, slow deliberate, consideration thinking takes energy and time, so our brains developed filters which come out as biases. This is an inherent weakness of the human brain.
Now imagine the butterfly effect on the life of just one person who is influenced by the brainworms of QAnon cults or conspiracies
which distorts their internal models of the world which they use to filter information about the world
The sad and shocking stories on forums like QanonCasualties
show the devastating effects on their close friends, family and work life - amplified by their ever increasingly disconnected lives. (insert Flat earther clip - zoom in on idiot rolling head
Now scale that up to the level of a whole of a society, a country, or the world? This is a collective madness to cope with and avoid the reality facing us as a species.
Only collective action with agreed basic facts to work from will do to avoid the total descent into actual chaos and destruction.
TLDR; Conclusion and Final Thoughts
In this essay I will have put forward the case for the following four key arguments being true and I have present supporting evidence to explain the logical reasoning for why our current definitions need updating and the threat levels reassed, from a non-hysterical but critical perspective. The overall claims I made are:
- Modern Fascism has taken over right-wing populism and bears all the hallmarks of early 20th Century Fascist ideologies.
- The ideology has two main reasons to exist, and two distinct audiences which both have a symbiotic, pathological relationship with each other.
- The main flaws and weaknesses of fascist ideology remain the same as ever - that fascism is motivated by irrational fears, greed and self deception.
- Modern Fascism has major unforeseen damaging consequences for individuals, governments, organisational dynamics, and society at large.
This reality is something I think a lot of fascists, ultra-nationalists and people who have been influenced by the propaganda know deep down on some level already - that they are avoiding the realities of pandemics and ecological harms of ignoring science and reality as it is.
They ignore it because fantasies are simpler to understand. And a narrative based on fear of the other is a simpler way to to process a complex world.
It is also attractive to the part of us that is drawn to conflict and drama - that hunger for something genuinely interesting to happen.
But I would argue from my experience that the beautiful complexity of life in all it’s shades of grey is much more interesting, fun and genuinely fulfilling to understand and engage in, even if it might be harder to deal with and harder to explain
I believe it is also vital for the very survival of our species.
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nter submitted by
has been using their moderator status and powers at nine different subreddits to harass me personally since November 2018. Over the last couple of weeks this harassment has escalated to attacking those who dare mention my name in one of the subs u/nter
moderates or who nter
decides is associated with me.
I have tried public mediation, private mediation, direct appeals, contacting reddit admins, and everything in the /ReportTheBadModerator
appeals wiki page without success. nter
simply continues to escalate.
I don't know what relief y'all will be able to bring about, but at least with this post I'll have somewhere to point people who ask me why I'm banned without apparent cause in various subreddits u/nter
controls or their posts mentioning me or linking to my sub(s) have been removed.
My first contact with nter
, I believe, was on October 6, 2018 and it didn't exactly go well. They responded to my Cash4Cash
post in which I was looking to buy Bitcoin Cash. Not only did I find their entire tone condescending, but their questions (ie why I wanted to buy BCH) were both irrelevant to the transaction and, IMO, highly invasive. And I had no problem informing them of this in our PM exchange
. Still we managed to successfully complete and confirm the trade.
For the next month or so my only interaction with nter
was when they would respond to my scammer submissions to the USL (UniversalScammerList
). Given the tone of our first inteaction I did my best to not only be civil and polite but nearly obsequious - one example interaction.
Then in early November 2018 came the great USL v GCTrade battle.
In short, I had been made a mod of GCTrade
due to my activity level and success in other gift card trading subs. In an attempt to clean up GCTrade I applied for (and was granted) membership in the USL. I made the decision to unban someone in the sub that remained banned on the USL and nter reached out personally asking me why (from their named account, not the USL mod named account). I, again, found their question irrelevant and invasive so gave them a throwaway response that they interpreted to mean I was violating reddit rules. u/nter
therefore reported me to the reddit admins who decided that I had violated no rules and informed me of this decision. Despite being informed of this ruling, u/nter
continued to spread the rumor that I was a reddit rule breaker.
That situation died down in a few days later and I went back to only interacting with nter
when they responded to my USL reports or they requested info on behalf of the USL. Again, I was beyond polite and civil in these communications.
On November 25, 2018 I started a new subreddit dedicated to discussing trading on reddit - RedditTradingTalk
. Although nter
didn't (publicly) comment in the sub many of the people that backed them in the USL v GCTrade deabcle were very outspoken in their disagreement of /RedditTradingTalk
's policy of publicly discussing bad trading behavior - by both users and mods.
From that point forward, any time I would answer someone's question in one of nter
's subs with a link back to the appropriate information in RTT it would be removed based on made up rules.
An early example- On December 20, 2018 someone posted a reminder to check the USL
before trading in /nter's BitMarket
. I responded with a link to a post in RTT about the Reddit USL in Context Chrome extension
which makes this easier to do. /nter removed it citing /BitMarket
Rule #4 which reads-
No advertising outside the sub.
I Pm'd asking if it was okay if I link directly to the extension in the Chrome Store instead of to the RTT post explaining it, and they assured me that would be fine. So, clearly they did not
see this as advertising, but just didn't like that I linked to a subreddit where someone else
had called them names and I refused to remove them. (Note: I don't remove comments calling other people names, either.) Screenshot of PMs.
On December 27, 2018 u/chrismont
made a post in RTT titled Corruption in the mods of UniversalScammerlist ?
(original post visible on removeddit
) specifically calling out nter and two other USL mods for the USL v GCTrade scuffle mentioned above.
On December 31, 2018, chfreak
posted their Petition to remove nter
mod). As can be seen in the thread, I initially supported nter
following the "it's their subreddit" concept. However, things turned around when nter
let their hypocrisy fly by refusing to provide any evidence of chfreak
's wrongdoing while claiming harassment and trolling when someone provides proof
of their wrongdoing. So, I called them on it.
In all of the above linked threads you'll see I'm avoiding name calling and insults and trying to remain civil while seeking the truth of the situation. But this doesn't matter to nter
. I didn't remove someone else's posts with insults so therefore I am the enemy and shall be punished.
Through the first three months of 2019 I simply tolerated nter
's constant attacks on both me and my subreddit. But then on April 7, 2019 things escalated dramatically-
Most recent examples-
In /SignUpsForPay krisholl
who is on the Universal Scammer List posted and I tagged nter to determine if this was permitted in the sub.
I then continued a civil conversation with krisholl
about whether they deserved to be on the USL and what could be done about it. Once nter
saw this they labelled me a troll and removed the "Trusted" flair I had earned in the sub through multiple good transactions. Essentially deleting my positive reputation there. As they usually do, nter
declared the matter closed without explanation.
When I sent a polite
modmail requesting clarification I was immediately muted. So I created this post in RTT
hoping they'd clarify things there. I know they read the post because they referenced it elsewhere. But, of course, no explanation of how I was trolling were forthcoming. nter
then went to an entirely separate and unrelated reputation subreddit
that they are essentially the sole mod of, /Reppit
, and proceeded to remove and lock my 5 month old reputation thread
there containing over 500 comments proving my honest trading reputation.
A month earlier I had made a post in Reppit
with the title "Not Sure How/IF to Post This in Reppit
". That same day, in the midst of the /SignUpsForPay
activity mentioned above, nter
removed and locked that post "per link to other sub". As they so often do, they went back later and changed their post. This time to read "removed and locked per link to other troll sub." You can see the original comment still in this screenshot
and on removeddit.
Not only is linking to other subs not prohibited anywhere in /Reppit
's rules, but it is actively encouraged
at least twice in the sidebar: "You can also post reviews on subreddits" and "You may also add the subreddit where the interaction took place (if relevant) at the end."
Additionally, the "Moderator Policy and Caveats" listed in the sidebar also say: "Reppit
moderators will not arbitrarily take sides to remove a feedback thread purported to be falsified or fraudulent." And yet, here nter
did so, merely because they don't like what people have said about them in the sub I linked to. Not the POST I linked to, just elsewhere in the subreddit.
So, this example isn't just a matter of hidden or secret rules, but a flagrant violation of their own stated policy. It's also another clear violation of the "Management of Multiple Communities" moderator guideline.
Ten days passed and then on April 16th, suddenly my /Reppit
thread of 300 confirmed trades over the last 3 months was removed without comment
shortly after I created a competing subreddit: RedditRep
and made this post detailing why I felt it was needed.
16 hours after I posted questioning what happened nter
finally came by with the following comment-
your post was removed by AutoModerator per your link "doesn't mean I vouch for them" to your troll sub as seen by https://i.imgur.com/ctq6Qbq.png your previous post https://redd.it/9njf51 has now been removed too per the above.
your comment has been removed and you have been banned per your false accusations and trolling here and in your troll subs, this matter is closed.
Again, no explanation of what "false accusations" or "trolling", much less evidence of either was provided.
Several days later, nter
came back and edited their post (for at least the second time since declaring "this matter is closed
") accusing me of vote manipulation for sharing this screenshot
taken by u/RedditTradingTalk
. If merely having and sharing a screenshot from someone else's account is proof that it's an alt account then I guess I'm actually an alt of nter
as well because I can share this screenshot from their account
They also claimed I'd been suspended from reddit despite my continuing to post here and the fact that reddit doesn't publicly share information about suspensions. So, apparently now u/nter
is claiming to be an undercover reddit admin.
It was these same unproven claims that u/nter
then used to then remove and lock a half dozen of my trading reputation threads in Reppit
also banning me from those subreddits. All of those rep subs where u/nter
has banned me have multiple other moderators ranked higher then nter, but they're absent from actual moderation activities (and some from reddit altogether). u/nter
likes to hold themselves up as a "protector" of reddit, making the site safer for people to engage in trading with other redditors. Which leads me to ask how removing dozens of reports of scammers and sketchy trading trading behavior I had made in their Reppit
over the last 7 months makes anyone safer?
Sadly, that's not even a complete catalog of the attacks, harassment, and mod abuse nter has directed at me, personally. But I think it's enough to prove a pretty strong case and the worst part of this is still waiting to be told. u/nter
has now started directly attacking and harassing other users
simply for mentioning me or being connected to me somehow (even if only in u/nter
On April 7th, after the SignupsForPay
kerfuffle, I found the abandoned SignupForCash
and I requested it
. Several hours later, nter
also entered a request for the same sub
stating they also mod SignupsForPay
. The reddit admins granted me the subreddit 5 days later. Unfortunately, I had assumed they would give it to u/nter
and between the time I requested and was granted the sub took on other projects that would take up my time - primarily RedditRep
. So I offered it to gracyzoe
, someone who I trust and respect and is very active in the current SignupsForPay
. They accepted and started building up the sub, so I dropped out of the sub completely. It didn't take long for nter
to remove and lock all of gracyzoe
's posts in SignupsForPay
and ban them from the sub. Their stated reasoning
all posts removed, locked, and banned per affiliation with troll user and troll sub trying to copy this sub and asking users in here to join the troll sub and putting them at risk.
So, a sub that was no longer connected to me (presumably I'm the "troll user") and had only one or two posts by gracyzoe
was somehow deemed to be a "troll sub" that was "putting [users] at risk". Of course, those very same posts had been made by gracyzoe
and weren't considered dangerous the or trolling then. In fact, once gracyzoe
backed down and dropped moderation of the new SignupForCash
, all of their SignupsForPay
posts were restored and no longer considered "trolling" or "dangerous".
On April 18, FastSellerService
commented on a BitMarket
scammer report that I was a trusted crypto trader.
Eight hours later nter
removed their comment stating-
removed per link to troll user and rule 4, this matter is closed. Bitmarket
rule 4 states-
No advertising outside the sub.
This was not an advertisement outside the sub as I regularly post in BitMarket
and the link was to my user profile.
On April 21st, I had a successful trade with Dab1029384756
as can be seen by their confirmation here. Dab1029384756 posted the trade on their GCX profile
, as is the normal procedure, writing-
22$ Paypal for 25$ Nintendo eShop Gift Cards with MrAahz
He's kinda banned for some drama but this trade happened technically
Within minutes, nter
removed their comment stating-
removed per rule 3 and misinformation, u/MrAahz was banned from GCXRep for vote manipulation of his rep profiles, this matter is closed. GCXRep
rule 3 states-
3) Confirming Trades: YOU are the only one who can make a parent comment on YOUR trading profile. Use the appropriate format. See the GCX Rep Guide linked here.
had posted on their own rep thread, exactly following the format in the examples, there was clearly no violation of Rule #3. The trade did, in fact, occur and I was, indeed, banned from GCXRep, so there was no misinformation.
Still not convinced these actions are a personal grudge against me as opposed to just an overzealous moderator? On April 15, in this comment
nter bans u/Raggs04
for trolling, saying-
banned per trolling, no users have modmailed about OP u/noobest12 scamming them, further mod action will be taken for future trolling, this matter is closed.
Despite having 18 rules in the sidebar, including 7 that are an automatic ban, there are none against "trolling" or questioning the ability of the mods.
And then, 4 minutes later in this comment
bans the OP, noobest12
whom they just defended while banning u/Raggs04
in their previous comment. On April 18, in this comment
, nter banned MrCash3
all such posts removed, locked, and banned per troll and admitted ban evader in modmail from SlaveLabour Network subs.
Only to come back 6 hours later to edit the comment and reverse their own actions stating-
edit: posts restored, unlocked, and unbanned per OP took responsibility for the above in modmail.
Yet, when I ask how I can avoid trolling in the future I get ignored and immediately muted. It's hard to "take responsibility" when your accuser won't tell you what you've done wrong.
Obviously, I agree that moderators should be free to moderate their subs as they see fit. But, as you know, reddit does have Moderator Guidelines For Healthy Communities
as well as a Content Policy.
I believe I have laid out clear and compelling evidence that nter
has abused their moderator powers by repeatedly violating the following sections of the Moderator Guidelines-
1) Engage in Good Faith Healthy communities are those where participants engage in good faith, and with an assumption of good faith for their co-collaborators.
There is no good faith effort on nter
's part in the examples above.
4) Clear, Concise, and Consistent Guidelines: Healthy communities have agreed upon clear, concise, and consistent guidelines for participation. These guidelines are flexible enough to allow for some deviation and are updated when needed. Secret Guidelines aren’t fair to your users—transparency is important to the platform.
There are numerous examples of secret, hidden, or created on-the-spot rules listed above.
5) Stable and Active Teams of Moderators: Healthy communities have moderators who are around to answer questions of their community and engage with the admins.
You will note how often nter
uses the phrase "this matter is closed", often in their very post in the discussion.
6) Appeals: Healthy communities allow for appropriate discussion (and appeal) of moderator actions. Appeals to your actions should be taken seriously. Moderator responses to appeals by their users should be consistent, germane to the issue raised and work through education, not punishment.
Again, you will note how often nter
uses the phrase "this matter is closed", often in their very post in the discussion. And as /nter is the sole or highest ranked active mod in most of these subs, there is no appeal available. There are also several examples above of nter
banning and muting redditors immediately.
9) Remember the Content Policy You are obligated to comply with our Content Policy. nter
's actions combined with the power they wield makes many redditors uncomfortable about expressing their feelings publicly on reddit.
10) Management of Multiple Communities We know management of multiple communities can be difficult, but we expect you to manage communities as isolated communities and not use a breach of one set of community rules to ban a user from another community. In addition, camping or sitting on communities for long periods of time for the sake of holding onto them is prohibited.
Again, many of nter
's actions cross subreddit lines in the examples above.
Additionally, they've violated the content policy by-
systematic and/or continued actions to torment or demean someone in a way that would make a reasonable person conclude that Reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation
following an individual or group of users, online or off, to the point where they no longer feel that it's safe to post
Any help would be be much appreciated. EDIT:
just added me to the USL at UniversalScammerList
banned per reddit rules for continuous harassment and trolling.
What could that "continuous harassment and trolling
" be? Why, this post of course. I've had no interaction with any USL mods (including nter
) in days, so there's nothing else it could be. And I'm not even the one who sent it to /unter, the mods here were.
Despite the assertion of this being "continuous" I still have not been given a single example of what I did that was either of these things.
The biggest problem here, and the ultimate reason I made this post, is that with those few clicks, nter
didn't just ban me from a single sub, or even the dozen+ they mod, but from anywhere between 20 and 50 subreddits that they actually have nothing to do with. Talk about "mak[ing] a reasonable person conclude that Reddit is not a safe platform to express their ideas or participate in the conversation
" I've been preempted from joining the conversation in subreddits I didn't even know existed until I was banned from them for a crime that hasn't even been pointed out to me.
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